SHARES. >Except that both the person who told me the story and the person who>heard it (me):>1. I have a lady friend who left a cloister after being a nun for more than 10 years. Drama may also be found if the wall contains gruesome information relating to a brutal murder or entombs the body of a bricked up nun. They kicked it around, but when we looked at it we saw it was a child's skull. They are the 796 babies and young children aged between two days and nine years whose grave, "filled to the brim with tiny bones and skulls," was found last week in an unmarked site that once. The diocese explained that the records of the nearly 800 children that died were all turned over long ago to the government, and are no longer accessible to the Catholic Church, Irish Times reported. It's estimated that 35,000 unmarried mums passed through the Catholic-run homes between 1904 and 1996, when the last one closed, and at least 9,000 babies died. . Let's start with the event at the centre of the story: In 1975, fourteen years after The Home had closed down, two young boys called Frannie Hopkins and Barry Sweeney were playing in a field where the building had once stood. Phil "Interesting Facts Our Teachers Told Us" Edwards-- Phil Edwards http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/amroth/"This is just my opinion, and I look back and realise it does little to answer your question." Vivienne "weren't nuns once the major if not only providers of Homesfor Wayward Girls?" Church and state have repeatedly failed to help mothers whose children were sent for adoption in the 1950s and 1960s; some accuse them of operating a 'deny until they die' policy of stonewalling. It is most likely that this will lead to a statutory inquiry into Tuam, and possibly into other Mother and Baby homes. The home was one of several throughout strongly Catholic Ireland. -- Joe Bay FLX NAVCancer Biology NUC MEMLeland Stanford Junior University LIF CNTNike Educational Facilities and Sweatshops Inc VEH ATM, >I seem to remember reading that a lot of this stuff >has its roots in anti-Catholic propaganda in much of the English speaking >parts of the world in the 1700s and 1800s. Abortion is wrong, regardless of what men might think about this. An average of 22 children died every year at The Home, meaning one died every 2.3 weeks on average. And there are similar signs of buck-passing in this case. Are 12,000 miles from Belfast. Legend has it, the Devil's baby is buried at a cemetery in Jackson County! > The stories also had it that the infants were the result of> sex between the nuns and local priests. Interesting that this was in the news today. Report: Priests, Missionaries Sexually Abuse Nuns http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010320/ts/vatican_abuse_dc_3.html, -- ___________________________________________, Michl Trtmn http://www.troutman.org http://www.zen-data.com. (LogOut/ The cemetery is surrounded by a four-foot-high stone wall that . I did. "Why have politicians and the Church reacted with such shock? Discussionis best done somewhere else. From 1925 until 1961, an order of nuns calls the Bon Secours Sisters ran an institution at this building in Tuam in Co Galway. Jesus wore homespun cotton or linen or wool, no jewels, no palace well, you get the picture. Thanks again! A key connotation of "Get thee to a nunnery! I should have elaborated on the source. : Interesting that this was in the news today. : Report: Priests, Missionaries Sexually Abuse Nuns : http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010320/ts/vatican_abuse_dc_3.html, I like the unintentional play on words that starts it off: "The Vatican acknowledged Tuesday a damning report ". , updated Pressure is growing for a proper investigation. You are quite right, Ray - it is *generations*. Even our language seems to have gotten around somewhat. He said: 'Not too long after we came here they were playing football and they saw something they thought was a ball or something. We will honour their memory and make sure that we take the right actions now to treat their remains appropriately.. Not sure why this ULdoesn't belong here, Phil. : To me this reeks of urban legendand the makings of a great (if: controversial) horror movie. It is possible that the garda were confused by this excavation of a site near The Home which found the bodies of 48 famine victims who had been buried there. I wounder how the Pope got rid of Limbo Was is not there in the first place? found behind both the local Catholic hospital and>> the local convent in the trash from the 1940s on, over several>> decades. There was no investigation of any kind into who was buried there and what had happened to them. A Galway County Council archivist told her that none of the names appeared in any nearby cemetery. Tales about "schools and convents haunted by the ghosts of babies whose skeletons were found in the spaces between thewalls" have been passed around for generations. However it only really began to gain attention when The Irish Mail on Sunday ran it as a front page story on Sunday 25 May, focusing on the mass grave rather than the fundraising appeal. "We do not know what were dealing with here yet, it could go back much further," the officer told NBC News on condition of anonymity. He could still be alive or he's in the grave.'. The home was run by nuns from the Bon Secours Sisters congregation between 1925 and 1961. In it, they said that they were "shocked and deeply saddened" about the reports, and said that they would co-operate with plans for a memorial. The Dolan case may force the government to take action, but it is unlikely Tuam is an isolated case. People will be looking; they deserve to know. ', When I phoned a spokesman for the Bon Secours Sisters, she was charming, but said that the nuns were old now; they aren't able to talk to the media and there is really nothing they can do. : > : > I bought a non-fiction paperback book about poltergeists and other paranormal: > haunting-type phenomena back in 1969. No more controversial than any other one, though. Blessings!! Special Report By Martin Sixsmith >chris 'fufas' grace writes:>| I suppose it's quite possible that there were areas in>| cemeteries reserved for illegitimate children, suicides, etc, and this>| has mutated over the years. The children ranged from newborns up to the age of nine years old and the records show they died from a variety of illnesses. The records kept by the Catholic nuns said causes of death included TB, undernourishment, pneumonia, and causes indicating neglect. The order of nuns which dumped the bodies of up to 800 babies and children in a septic tank must be disbanded and its assets seized, a TD insisted yesterday. At one time, *unbaptized* children, suicides, and possibly some otherscould not be buried in the consecrated ground of a Catholic cemetary.A stillborn baby couldn't be buried in the churchyard regardless ofwhether his parents were married or not; a child born outside ofwedlock, once baptized, would be counted the same as a legitimatechild for the purposes of burying. The worst was the green diarrhoea. Clodagh Kilcoyne/Reuters. Now, I have two unborn siblings (miscarriages) that are waiting for me, and my mother and brother in heaven. > To me this reeks of urban legendand the makings of a great (if> controversial) horror movie. On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 02:13:06 +0000 (UTC), On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:52:00 +1300, chris 'fufas' grace, | I suppose it's quite possible that there were areas in. Thats all you need to ask yourself. Many of the. or are they just barrelled straight into hell? They petitioned officials for . No? . The Church said the girls were 'fallen women' and degenerates. The "dead babies come back to haunt the place they are buried (orwere killed)" was discussed at length in one of the chapters. 'The local lads used to go fishing in the river', John said. This is a contentious issue. But Teresa says she won't rest until a proper memorial is erected. No. strava photo with stats; mygovid unable to verify identity. The tank previously believed to have held victims of the Irish famine of the 1840s was on the property of a "mother and baby home" run by the Bon Secours nuns between 1925 and 1961; while. 'We want to put those children's names on a plaque and get them up on the wall. ', Worse was to follow. What exactly does a nun's life entail, and what happens in their tight-knit community? Reuters. - Cindy Kandolf, certified language mechanic, mamma flodnak flodmail: thefl@ivillage.com flodhome: Brum, Norway flodweb: http://www.flodnak.com/. 'They needed to dig for worms and one day they lifted up some old slabs that had been lying since before the estate was built'. One clue into the reason for their deaths lies in the location of the bodies. Offers may be subject to change without notice. Many Catholics knows one of many stories like this from their own parish. The priest came over and blessed it. "Passed around for generations" may have been an understatement. "Brooklyn, New York, USA | -Timothy McDaniel, to whom neatness countsNo relation.http://calieber.tripod.com/home.html. Pregnant women who delivered their infants at the Home were required to work at the Home for no less than one year without pay. Is this happening in convents today? Indeed memeringkat iklan lowongan berdasarkan. Fearing the murder of her child, she fled the convent. At a time when the Vatican has taken its most concrete steps to address a long ordeal with sex abuse and coverups, a growing chorus of nuns is speaking out about the suffering they have endured. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Here, we look at how the story has unfolded, and all of the many, many questions that still remain. In total, she procured 796 certificates and they revealed the children had died of measles, tuberculosis, pneumonia, or simply malnutrition. Note the absence of a Catholic spin on the story. . I suppose they have to every time something like this comes out connected with religious institutions.". Its horrific what they did, Ms Corless said. >chris 'fufas' grace (ch@transdata.co.nz) wrote:>>: Except that both the person who told me the story and the person who>: heard it (me):>: 1. No really? The Homewas one of many of its type in Ireland at the time: a social service run by a Catholic religious order which imposed the harsh cultural mores of the time and focused on imposing penance and punishment for what the women had done. That is an orban legend (to my understanding of the term).It is told about any number of Nunneries. Good question. The building itself was bulldozed and a housing estate now stands in its place. The Home was run by the Bon Secours Sisters, a religious order of Catholic nuns, that also operated the Grove Hospital in the town. Except that both the person who told me the story and the person whoheard it (me):1. Lars, DUBLIN // Womens groups are calling for other Catholic-run former homes for unmarried mothers to be investigated after a mass grave containing the remains of dozens of babies and young children was discovered at one such home. The stories about the sewage tank began to make sense. ', Catherine and Teresa consulted old maps and documents, gathering whatever information they could. As many as 35,000 unmarried pregnant women may have been sent to one of ten homes such as the home in Tuam. ', Catherine went to the records office in Galway. The newly-appointed Minister for Children Charlie Flanagan has said that a number of Government departments are carrying out a review to work out how best to investigate the matter. Phil-- )) (( Phil Gustafson Urban Legends FAQ: http://www.urbanlegends.com C|~~| Java FAQ: http://www.afu.com `--' , >dexx@home.com writes:>>I just heard a really creepy story about a small town in the US>>Midwest from someone who lived there (which is actually HERE): Dead>>babies (murderered?) I suppose it's quite possible that there were areas incemeteries reserved for illegitimate children, suicides, etc, and thishas mutated over the years. "That 800 number will be replicated, and [be] higher in other homes," she said on RTE. She said she was surprised by the mass grave but not by the numbers, noting that all the mother-and-baby homes shared the common trait of very high infant mortality rates, "significantly higher than the mortality rates for 'legitimate' babies". To me this reeks of urban legendand the makings of a great (ifcontroversial) horror movie. Hi there Im replying to your comment you made many years ago this is not true as I have done a Baptism course in the last two years and this was bought up it is definitely not a teaching of the catholic church of today.. as if the lord would do this to little children or babies. There are 11,000 babies buried in mass graves at the Melbourne General Cemetery, and hundreds of newborns at the Fawkner Cemetery in the city's north. There were babies dying every day.' Bridget reportedly told her family that William had been sent for adoption in America. Source: Laura Hutton/Photocall Ireland. Professor Avni was the Head of Archaeology Survey of Israel. The Roman Catholic institution in Ireland operated Mother and Baby Homes, for unmarried mothers and their babies, during the twentieth century. Local people knew that the area had served as some kind of graveyard for children in The Home, and a local couple began to take care of it, erecting a grotto in the corner and maintaining it. By some strange incidence of AFU precept 1 [1] I heard theself same story a couple of days ago from a friend of mine who wasbought up by nuns in an orphanage. ', Now people are looking. Marta Steinsvik (Norwegian) comments on a similar story from France, where hundreds (or thousands?) Philomena, by Martin Sixsmith, is published by Pan Macmillan, priced 7.99. They died between 1925 and 1961 in a mother and baby home under the care of the Bon Secours Catholic nuns. It was so bad that you couldn't even put nappies on them. This article was originally published at 8.15am on Saturday 7 June. Grim reports that nearly 800 dead babies were discovered in the septic tank of a home run by nuns has set off a round of soul-searching in Ireland and sparked calls for accountability . The home was one of several throughout strongly Catholic Ireland. A Canadian composer connects two groups of survivors separated by an ocean and by language but linked by their so-called "illegitimate" births Quebec's Duplessis Orphans and Irish survivors of . Run by the Bon Secours order of nuns, the Tuam home opened in 1925 and closed in 1961. In addition to the stories of outrageous wealth, there are tales of nuns becoming pregnant, and amazingly of the skeleton of a baby being discovered encased in a wall. CRUEL nuns buried dead children in a sewage tank and stole babies from their mothers and sold them off to rich American families. Comments?>>>What it reeks of is a tale-teller who has a major bone to pick with the>Catholic Church. I've seen a report on areputable Canadian journalism show, and have found this accounton the net: http://www.monmouth.com/~ssteinhauer/bckgrnd.html. I am a medievalist, and the'rumour' is pretty common all over Europe, and especially in England, where itgained a lot of strength following the dissolution of the monasteries (andnunneries) by Henry VIII. Also, it was stories told from one>: person to another over many years, so if there is an anti-Catholic>: bias behind it -- it is not merely the product of a single>: bone-picking tale-teller but evidence of general ill-feeling toward>: Catholics by non-Catholics, which I suspected. But I had never heard this before, in the UK or anywhereelse. 'It was awful. I agree. 'They walked away and left the babies there. Members of Parliament have called for an immediate investigation into the 800 bodies found in the mass grave at the abandoned Catholic facility for unwed mothers. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Professor Gideon Avni (left) visited Goa in 2017. The first signs of the mass grave were spotted in 1975 when two young boys, playing in a field on the old site of the home found skeletons inside a hollow covered by a concrete slab. In my book that spells hypocrisy. The grave is marked with an image of a little lamb and underneath is a creepy-looking portrait of young George. Tales about "schools and convents haunted by : the ghosts of babies whose skeletons were found in the spaces between the: walls" have been passed around for generations. "Many of the revelations are deeply disturbing and a shocking reminder of a darker past in Ireland when our children were not cherished as they should have been," Flanagan said. I doubt they put the babies or miscarried fetuses into theregular trash, but years ago who knows. Also, it was stories told from oneperson to another over many years, so if there is an anti-Catholicbias behind it -- it is not merely the product of a singlebone-picking tale-teller but evidence of general ill-feeling towardCatholics by non-Catholics, which I suspected. But how do we know that they were buried in the former sewage tank? Over 400 children's bodies have been discovered on the grounds of a Catholic Church run by nuns in Lanarkshire, southern Scotland. It seems to be just one of those ugly things that people say. Some of the poorer women who gave birth were forced to work for the nuns in the institution after they had their child as a way to pay for the service which had been provided to them. 'Through the passage of time, the sisters who would have served at the home are now deceased. A lot of babies die in hospitals and there are miscarriages and thingslike that. There is no death certificate. Won't someone PLEASE think of the CHILDREN? There are several other testimonies of the same as well. A swift glance at the URL quoted would have revealed that thepropaganda mentioned was mostly of US/Canadian 19th century origin andhas spread as far as the bigots have. There is a 'miserable, emaciated child with voracious appetite and no control over bodily functions'; a 'delicate' ten-month-old 'child of itinerants', and a five-year-old with its 'hands growing near its shoulders'. At 10 months, O'Sullivan had instead been placed in another institution in the . "People don't seem shocked, I don't understand," she said. Their babies were neglected, crowded into communal nurseries where infection and disease ran unchecked. By Their reason for condemning abortion is a fake one, as they believe that all children not baptized will go into Limbo, where they will stay for eternity or even hell.